Monday April 27, 2009
CSI Board Room
6:00 p.m. – 8:00 p.m.
1) Attendance……………………………………Secretary 1 Minutes
C. Graves, S. Sonser, C.Carson, M. Canning, M.Lukas, J. Radcliffe, S. Carmichael, S.
Darvasi, R. Stanciu , Avis Maher (New Board: Kristen Carmicheal, Ciara Byrne, Taryn
Schmidt, Lisa Jackson, Mario Anglin)
Chair: R. Stanciu
Recorder: C. Carson
Regrets: Amanda Black, Maria Fermin
2) Set Time to Adjourn………………………….Chairperson 1 Minutes
Motion: To set time to adjourn for 8:00pm
Forward: Sheena S.
Seconded: Melissa C.
3) Approval of Agenda………………………….Chairperson 1 Minutes
Motion: to revise agenda for Technology Fee for Avis Maher to speak on behalf of Ernie
Falkner. Change Consent Minutes instead of Agenda.
Forward: Sarah C.
Seconded: Matt L.
4) Approval of Consent Minutes………………...Chairperson 1 Minutes
Motion: to approve consent to agenda.
5) Discussion and Decisions
a) Technology Fee………….………………….………Avis Maher 30 minutes
Discussion: Avis Maher, Conestoga College, VP Finance
Document: Technology Ancillary Fee Analysis: Basic vs. Enhanced Services Chart: Technology Ancillary Fee
I want to go over this document which there is three points I want to outline. First
this is a budget that looks over the 2010 technology fee. As required by the government of Ontario, the ministry has requested that Conestoga College and Conestoga Students Inc have an agreement on what is considered basic and enhanced services for our Technology Fee. If you look at the second column of the document, it outlines the expenses the college will spend, which is currently an estimated guess. It looks at the college administration, which is needed to run the college and technology services. When looking at the basic administration costs, it is all student related and what enhances academic delivery. The college has come up with its best guess about what the cost will be. The college has gone through the IT staff salaries, the college does normal classrooms which is basic and open access labs are considered enhanced wages. The open access labs is considered enhanced, for the students area able to use the labs as they need them. Due to students not required to have laptops and the cost of the PC and maintenance associated with it, there is a cost in the enhanced budget for the technology fee. As you will notice, there is a Lost Revenue section of around $700,000.00 dollars, this is considered enhanced as this is money the college is loosing as its dedicating space for which the college could be making off the increase in students and the cost of the space. There could be more classrooms run through those open access labs, but instead are left open for the students. It is all the opportunity costs that is lost with open access labs. If your look at workstations, that is a small cost but with the survey it was asked that we have a hygiene station for students in the labs. Some of it is open access some is not, therefore some is enhanced and the other is not.
Second if you look at the 11/4 ratio, this ratio is the amount of time that classrooms are used by the college for teaching, and the other amount is used by students when the labs are open. The other cost of $100850.00, is 350 PCs are in open labs and 3262 are in college classrooms (including staff computers). the 11% is considered enhanced PC due to the 350 PCs in open access labs. All of the following are considered in that percentage is where do the staff spend hours, what are the hours the classroom is available, and how many PCs are in the classroom. The DVP’s are considered enhanced as it enhances the learning experiences and is no necessary to have to learn at the college. Also the refresh rate at our college is every 4 years instead of 6 years. The 6 years is considered basic while enhanced is 4 years.
If we also look at the growth the college is going to have, 11.5% will significantly
help out with the fees and covering of costs. It will result in an estimate of $1.9 million
dollars. This is only a possible grown, very aggressive, but it would be good for cost
coverage for the technology enhancements.
Finally, the last piece of the agreement, once Conestoga Students Inc. is satisfied
with the agreement, we can move forward to the next step and update the outdated
agreement from 2006. It will be different, as the updates will be shown according to
Josalyn: The 11 to 4 ratio, sometimes the classrooms are locked, so we need to ensure
Sheena: By creating the new agreement, we will not see the itemized details of where the
money is going.
Avis: When the agreement is made, then we will do a similar document (chart:
Technology Ancillary Fee).
Matt: Are we working in this year already?
Avis: Yes, our year end is March, therefore we are currently working in this budget.
Matt: Can we negotiate with the DVPs, can we look at it as not enhanced.
Avis: We can look at it yes.
Josalyn/Sheena: We would like a line for line of what the fee is paying.
Avis: It does show what the details, salaries, PCs, software.
Sheena: We need something that will be good for the students, its confusing for the
Avis: What would that budget look like?
Sheena: We want a line for line of exactly what the students are paying for.
Avis: That’s what it shows.
Sheena: The students will not understand this, we need to show it in more detail.
Avis: We can add a 4
th column to show college and students paying, on November when
we get the count we can do that, as it’s the reporting of the student count for enrolment
We have to change the way we are thinking, as its what the student government wants, so
thits taken hours to make, but we can change so it has a 4 column, we will also look at the
DVP items, we will look at the review in reporting
Sheena: If there is anything that we need negotiating, then we will send them (board)
Avis: Yes that’s fine.
Sheena: We need to know what the students pay, we know the college pays for it more.
Chris G: We need to agree with what is enhanced and not enhanced, the written
agreement is saying we agree what is enhanced and basic, you need to tell them if you
don’t like what you see, ie DVP.
Matt: We do not consider a DVP as a enhancement, professors demand that we use it in
Sheena will ask:
Sheena: Would they have made that economic investment of 125 DVPs if it wasn’t
Melissa: What will happen down the road when the refresh rate is 4 years, who will pay
Chris G: At the beginning CSI stated DVPs as enhanced, therefore that’s what they included it as. Is there a basic classroom expectation, is it basic or enhanced (DVP)
We need to look at what we want in the enhancement fee, what is considered basic now
and what is enhanced.
Matt: If you look at the difference, there is only a $600,000 difference between what we
pay and what they pay, so really we are paying for more then they are saying.
And the $700,000 is not considered a loss, that’s potential, that’s not a actual number as
its not a real thing.
Chris G: That’s the potential increase the students attending the college, therefore it’s a
loss but its not a real loss as its not real money.
Sheena: They are putting the cost per hour on the cost for lost revenue in the classroom
for open lab.
Melissa: The lost revenue based on the whole day, therefore not the 11/4 ratio.
Wouldn’t want to be included in Tech Fee:
- DVP’s- can be enhanced but not paid in Tech Fee- should be in basic