nd2 APSC Meeting
Advisory Panel for Standards Collaboration on Telecommunications related to Motor
6 June 2005, Geneva, ITU-T
10:00 Welcome and Introductions
10:10 APSC Management Team
- Discussion on the appointment of 3 Vice-Chairs
10:20 Review Action Items and next steps from the Final Report of the
workshop, The Fully Networked Car – a Workshop on ICT in Motor
; Discuss the next steps, the action items and issues raised at this
workshop. Points-of-contact, and area of responsibility will be
assigned in order to follow-up on these items.
11:00 Study Question on e-Call, HMI, Interoperability, and Telematics to
various SGs (as appropriate)
; The APSC is encouraged to draft a SQ on the issues raised at the
Workshop and to submit such SQ for the next meeting of various SGs,
12:00 - 13:30 Lunch Break
13:30 Draft a response to the “Strategic Framework for Intelligent Transport
Systems (ITS) Standards” developed by the European Information &
Communications Technologies Standards Board (ICTSB) Intelligent
Transport Systems Steering Group (ITSSG).
; The APSC has been invited to provide Comments on this Strategic
Framework. The APSC will draft a response to be submitted by the
ITU-T to the ICTSB ITSSG. The URL of this report is available:
13:50 Work programme of the APSC
1. Brainstorming on the possible projects for the developing countries.
2. Drafting an action plan for APSC-TELEMOV in the year 2005-2006
3. Planning for the next standards workshop at the Geneva Auto Show.
Creation of a Steering Committee for the Telecom-Automotive
Workshop III and elaboration of the focused objectives and topics.
(The workshops activity is not the core business of the APSC)
- The Steering Committee will develop the framework for the overall
agenda, and a roadmap for the execution of the next workshop.
15:00 – 15:30 Coffee Break
15:30 Review and Update on the various activities of APSC members
1. KOTBA Presentation
2. Members of the APSC are invited to provide updates and status reports
on various standardization efforts underway. The purpose of this
activity is also to review and update the data collected on the APSC
16:30 Next Meeting Date / Adjourn
Mr. P. Najarian, chairman of APSC-TELEMOV opened the second Meeting of the group. The meeting agenda was adopted.
The Chairman reminded that the APSC-TELEMOV was created as a cooperative platform for discussions among Standard Development Organizations (Global, Regional and National) to advance work on standardization related to ITS and Telematics. This panel is administratively housed under the ITU-T SG 12; however, the APSC work covers all ITU sector activities. The Chairman reminded also that APSC is not a standard developing group. On the APSC platform various groups share their activities. Then, the Chairman introduced the meetings participants. The list of participants is given in Annex 1.
APSC Management Team 2.
As a result of the recommendations and action items from the standards workshop held at the Geneva Auto Show (March 2005), a proposal was made to enhance the Management Team of the APSC through three active Vice-Chairmen representing the ITU-T, ISO and the car industry respectively.
Mr. Najarian proposed that UN-ECE WP29 (the World Forum for Harmonization of Vehicle Regulations), part of UN-ECE‟s Inland Transportation Working Party, be requested to submit a proposed nominee on behalf of the car industry. Mr. Najarian noted that, similar to the ITU, WP29 is under the UN structure; it is global in nature; it fully represents the vehicle regulatory environment; all the car manufacturers are represented in WP29 through their National Bodies; in addition to car manufacturers, the membership of WP29 includes a large number of industry consortia (such as OICA) and international standards organizations (such as ISO); and more importantly, it has established an active ITS sub-group.
Mr. Najarian noted that it would be appropriate to contact Mr. Mr C. Ferrer (UN-ECE WP29) and to request the candidacy of an individual on behalf of WP29.
Note: After the meeting, a solution which would include 4 Vice-Chairmen - 2 representing ISO and 2 representing the ITU - was examined in terms of the broad objectives of the APSC to enhance cooperation between ISO and the ITU in ITS and Telematics.
As such, Mr. Jean-Pierre Cheynet (as Chair of ISO/TC22 on vehicles) and Mr. Michael Noblett (as Chair of ISO/TC204) will serve as the ISO Vice Chairs, while Mr. Jean Yves Monfort (Chair of ITU-T SG12) and Mr. Pierre-André Probst (Chair of ITU-T SG16) will serve as the ITU Vice Chairs. In addition, Mr. Cheynet will serve as liaison with UN-ECE WP29.
The Vice Chairs were also requested and encouraged to hold regular teleconferences of the entire APSC Management Team in order to set the agenda of the APSC, and discuss all its activities.
3. Review of action items.
Action items were reviewed and reconfirmed as follows:
1) APSC requested a slot for participation in the upcoming ITU-T Workshop on Home
Networking (a car can be seen as a platform for wireless communications)
2) Mr Jean-Yves Monfort and Mr Jean-Pierre Cheynet will enhance communications between
ITU-T SG 12 and ISO TC 22 on the Human Machine Interface issues. Study Group 12 will
consider this new item during its meeting in October 2005 and will give a report to the TC22
Plenary meeting in November. Collaboration between ISO TC 22 and ITU-T SG 12 has
already started on this subject.
3) Electromagnetic compatibility issues were brought to the attention of the group. ISO TC 22
will start collaboration with ITU-T SG 5 (ITU-T SG 5 starts meeting on Monday, June 13).
ISO TC 22 (Mr Jean-Pierre Cheynet) will communicate with ITU-T SG 5.
4) Interworking between on board and off board capability and interoperability (Mr Michael
Noblett to develop this part)
5) eCall: 3 items of ISO TC 204 require collaboration: a) Wireless telephone based; b)
Emergency call crash notification; and c) Architecture. APSC could contribute and assist in
the draft of Study Questions. It would be more beneficial if work were done in
collaboration among ETSI TG37, ISO TC 204 and ITU-T. While eCall may not fit in the
structure of ITU-T SG 12, SG12 is invited to look into these issues and to channel to the
right place within ITU-T. eCall issues should be global. The Study Question, which will be
drafted, will have a global perspective
Short summary of actions:
1. Mr Monfort and Mr Cheynet to coordinate initiatives on the EMC aspects
2. Mr Cheynet to send a work item proposal on HMI to the ITU-T SG 12
3. eCall Study Question proposal to be drafted and send to the ITU-T (Mr Igor Minaev
and Mr Bob Williams)
4. Interoperability (to be developed by Mr M. Noblett)
4. Response to the “Strategic Framework for Intelligent Transport Systems (ITS) Standards”
developed by the European Information & Communications Technologies Standards Board (ICTSB) Intelligent Transport Systems Steering Group (ITSSG).
The paper was presented to the participants. It was decided to prepare a letter to the ICTSB, on behalf of APSC, explaining where APSC can contribute. ETSI acts as the secretariat to the ICTSB. It was proposed to bring these issues to a global level and to make an attempt to have a joint meeting between APSC and ICTSB.
It was also noted that this paper was viewed by the ICTSB as a “living document.” As such, continued input and contributions to this document were always welcome. Mr. Najarian suggested that the document should contain a list of ITU Recommendations related to ITS applications. Mr. Najarian also suggested to contact ETSI Secretariat regarding the APSC‟s interest in eCall.
5. Work programme of the APSC
1) Brainstorming on the possible projects for the developing countries.
A common project between the Asian Pacific Economic Council (APEC) (APEC Transportation
Working Group) and ISO TC 204 (Intelligent Transportation Systems) was created. The aim of this project is to produce a detailed and comprehensive list of national, regional and international standards. The project will go in two stages. The Stage I Survey for “World Report for ITS Standards (WRITSS) should facilitate cooperation in ITS standardization activities by sharing recent information and experience on the application and/or deployment of ITS standards worldwide. A Joint Project Group (JPG) has been established to undertake a project for developing a „World Report
for Intelligent Transport Systems Standards (WRITSS)‟. APEC has commissioned the Korean
Agency for Technology and Standards to conduct the project.
The objectives of the project are:
; To survey the current status of ITS standards development throughout various organizat
; To identify common needs and potential issues related to ITS standards development an
d deployment in ITS world markets
stThe JPG is conducting the survey in two stages. The 1 stage is collecting key contact information ndand an inventory of international and national standards for ITS. The 2 stage will be an advanced
survey of ITS case studies, deployments using ITS standards and suggestions to enhance ITS standardization activities.
In parallel, under ITU-R WP 8A, a Land Mobile Handbook which includes a section on ITS, is being prepared. The APSC noted that the WRITSS project (which simply provides a list of standards) would not be complete without a Handbook (or other material) which complements the project. APSC decided that it would be most beneficial to combine the WRITSS together with the ITU-R Handbook, and to make it available for developing countries through the ITU Development Sector. Otherwise, neither the WRITSS project or the Handbook, taken separately, would provide any benefits to a deployer of ITS technologies or a developing country interested in implementing ITS technologies..
It was underlined that APSC will act as collaboration platform and liaison organism for ISO/APEC/ITU.
A possibility of workshops/seminars in collaboration with ITU-D Sector was discussed. It was noted that there is a need to put the accent in this activity on: 1) What standards to use?, 2) Why to use these standards?, and 3) How to use standards?
Note: The group was invited to fill in the questionnaire where each participant would explain possible topics of study for APSC and possible projects for developing countries. The summary of the responses will be given separately on the APSC website.
2) Drafting an action plan for APSC-TELEMOV for the period 2005-2006
Action items (see section 3 of this report) were reconfirmed. It was decided to work with APEC and ISO to collaborate on the WRITSS. Further Action Plan depends on work progress between ISO and ITU-T discussed in section 3.
3) Planning for the next standards workshop at the Geneva Auto Show. Creation of a
Steering Committee for the Telecom-Automotive Workshop III and elaboration of the
focused objectives and topics. (The workshops activity is not the core business of the
At the conclusion of the 2005 Geneva Autoshow, a decision to have a similar workshop in 2006 was not reached. It was reconfirmed that APSC will continue with several workshop activities (in lieu of a single workshop), at various levels, and on specific topics in order to continue the momentum that was attained in 2005 and to build a solid foundation for a future workshop at the Geneva Autoshow which would include an ITS pavilion, vehicle and technology displays, etc. This approach, of using multiple workshops before specific audiences, was preferred over a single, broad-based conference.
A number of topics, which were not covered during the 2005 Geneva Autoshow were discussed. Specifically, the need of bringing together Regulators, Standards Developers and car manufacturers was underlined. Mr. Najarian noted, for example, that while car manufacturers and standards developers were actively pursuing ITS safety systems operating in the upper 70 GHz bands, none of the international or national regulators were aware of these upcoming devices. Mr. Najarian also
noted that, while car manufacturers and the ITS industry are actively pursuing eCall, none of the Public Safety organizations or telecommunications regulators were aware.
As a result of these discussions, Mr. Najarian proposed a one-day workshop that could be held at the ITU (instead of the Palexpo) during the 2006 Geneva Autoshow (March 2-12, 2006).
Specifically, Mr. Najarian noted that ITU-R WP8A has scheduled its March 2006 meetings (Feb. 21 – Mar 2, 2006) to coincide with the opening, press and VIP days (Feb. 27 – March 1, 2006) of the
Geneva Autoshow. Mr. Najarian proposed that the APSC could sponsor a one-day workshop examining the Telecommunications Standardization and Regulatory environment for vehicles, including spectrum requirements for Communications, Air Interface, Long and Medium Range (CALM). The main objective would be to bring together the standards developers and telecommunications regulators. The coincidental timing of the 2006 Geneva Autoshow and the ITU meetings creates an excellent opportunity for such workshop.
Similarly, several one-day seminars could be held during the 2005-2006 period. Topics of interests are:
- Spectrum related issues (spectrum requirements for car, etc.); educational goal, to be organized
just before or after the ITU-R WP 8A meeting (Mr. Langtry should be contacted) - In-vehicle communications (Mr Gierlich, Mr Monfort)
- Personal area networks (car as wireless platform)
- Multimedia in car (Mr. Probst asked for presentation for the next SG16 meeting in July 2005) - Workshop on home networking (October 2005) (The Consumer Electronics Association will
submit a name).
rd2007: 3 Car workshop
1) Mr P. Najarian to contact counselor of ITU-R 8A for the workshop on DSRC, VII, Spectrum issues.
2) The group is invited to develop ideas for the workshops (e.g. e-safety, spectrum issues, HMI, PAN etc)
3) Mr P-A. Probst and Mr J-Y. Monfort to participate in the ITU-T Home Networking Workshop (13-14 October 2005, Geneva) giving presentations on car environment.
4) Mr P. Najarian to find a presentation for ITU-T SG 16 Meeting (26 July – 5 August 2005) on
Multimedia for cars on the request of Mr P-A. Probst
5) Mr Noblett, Mr Cheynet, Mr Najarian, Mr Monfort and Mr Probst will drive the preparation activities for the workshop in conjunction with Geneva PALEXPO Autoshow in 2007. UN WP 29 should be involved and these activities should start immediately.
5) Mr Najarian to provide the information on Human Machine Ergonomic Society, Driver distraction (the info to: Mr Monfort, Mr Cheynet, Mr Chuck Eger of Motorola, Mr. Evensen of Norway, Mr Gierlich)
6. Review of the activities of some APSC members
Ms. Stacy Kang made a presentation on KOTBA activities (posted on the APC web page). ITU-T e MOU might be interested in KOTBA activities.
Mr Scott McCormick gave an update on CVTA (will be posted on the APSC website).
Mr. Noens (Motorola) gave an update on the Bluetooth Special Interest Group. ITU-D – Mr. Kisrawi underlined that the ITU-D sector is very interested in workshops/seminars and informed the meeting that the next WTDC will be held in Doha (Qatar) in 2006.
7. Update of working methods and activities
It was decided to rearrange conference calls in order to make it divided by topics and groups of interests.
Workshops and Seminars should focus on advancing areas of collaboration among SDOs. 1-day seminars should be on specific (narrowly focused) subjects before targeted audience.
APSC decided to mandate people / organizations to specific subjects areas. For example, the APSC Management Team and a workshop steering committee (for any given workshop) will be separate and distinct. Each workshop will have its own separate steering committee, which may or may not include members of the APSC Management Team.
8. Next meetings
rdThe 3 APSC physical meeting will be held on 22 November 2005 in Paris (France) just before the annual meeting of ISO TC 22.
thThe 4 meeting will possibly be held in April 2006 in Korea on the kind invitation of KOTBA jointly with the meeting of ISO TC 204.
Summary of the Questionnaire
1. Particular interests in APSC participation expressed by the Meeting attendees: ; Collaboration activities of ITU-T, ISO, ETSI and other related international and regional
; Make sure that at the early stage all critical industries in the value chain are dialoging on the
; Telco‟s and automakers cooperation
; Electromagnetic requirements of mobile terminals and related transmission issues ; Multimedia in cars
; Sharing experience in ITS and Telematics promoting activities
2. List the topics of study that participants think APSC-TELEMOV should concentrate on in
the next 2-4 years:
; Drafting and maintenance of the general status of international and regional standards
related with telecom aspects of mobile terminals and services
; e-call (buy-in for specialists and qualification / certification requirements) ; Spectrum allocation issues
; Speech Recognition
; Facilitation of the international standardization efforts in the ITS area ; Educational seminars
; Collaboration on next generation of wireless media like WiMax
; Collaboration with ICTSB/ITSSG Strategic Workplan
; Collaboration on emergency call services
; Collaboration on Global Frequency Allocation harmonization (DCRS) ; Regulation issues (bringing in Regulators)
; Business case studies on telecom/automotive potential industries that support safety of the
; Seamless mobility
; Automakers perspective in telematics
; Regional political initiatives with regard to ITS
; How ITU, ISO, ETSI and other international and regional standard development
organizations will approach telematics in long-term
; Finding further new areas for standardization with the international collaboration
3. Ideas/proposals, where and in which area APSC could participate / propose projects for
; How standards can be used in specific environements
; Educational seminars
; For safety type applications promote end-to-end standards that also have
; Involve ITU in cooperation with APEC TEL meeting
List of participants
Mr. CERUTI Rodolfo, Telecom Italia, ITU-T, Email: email@example.com Mr. CHEYNET Jean-Pierre, ISO, Email: firstname.lastname@example.org
Mr. CHO Hanbyeog, ETRI, Email: email@example.com
Mr. EVENSEN Knut, Q-Free, ISO, Email: firstname.lastname@example.org
Mr. GIERLICH Hans Wilhelm, HEAD acoustics, ITU-T, Email: email@example.com Mrs. KANG Stacy, Korea Telematics Business Association (KOTBA), Email: firstname.lastname@example.org Mr. KIMURA Yutaka, NEC, Email: email@example.com
Mr. KISRAWI Nabil, Syrian Telecommunications Establishment, ITU-D, Email: firstname.lastname@example.org Mr. LEE Sang-Sun, Hanyang
Mr. MCCORMICK Scott, Connected Vehicle Trade Association, Email: email@example.com Mr. MINAEV Igor, ETSI, Email: firstname.lastname@example.org
Mr. MONFORT Jean-Yves, France Telecom, ITU-T, Email: email@example.com Mr. NAJARIAN Paul, ITS AMERICA, Email: firstname.lastname@example.org
Mr. NOENS Richard, Motorola, Email: email@example.com
Mr. PEDERSEN Magnus, Q-FREE
Mr. PROBST Pierre-André, Office fédéral de la communication (OFCOM), Email: firstname.lastname@example.org Mr. ROY Richard Harvey, SRA, Email: email@example.com
Mr. SCHNACKE Richard, TRANSCORE, Email: firstname.lastname@example.org
Mr. SUGIURA Takaaki, MRI, Email: email@example.com
Mr. SZAFKO Tamas, CONNEXIS, Email: firstname.lastname@example.org
Mr. WEINSTOCK Richard, YGOMI LLC, Email: email@example.com
Mrs. WILSON Joanne Cecilia, ArrayComm, Email: firstname.lastname@example.org
Mrs. Judit KATONA-KISS, TSB Councellor, email@example.com, +41 22 730 5780 Mr Vladimir Androuchko, TSB, firstname.lastname@example.org, +41 22 730 6311